Scribblings on the back - Defil Carioca

Re: Scribblings on the back

Postby Knu » Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:13 am

Drak wrote:Trying to re-dye it will not work, and you won't bleach that out.

I agree, bleaching won't work. Further bleaching wasn't among my options 1. to 5.

But can you please explain, why dark blue or black dye will not work :?:
(Any other color won't, I agree.)
Will the scribbling shine through even black dye :?:

After all, dark dye + clear coats would look better in this case than plain paint, IMO.
Dyed wood still looks like wood, painted wood looks like plastics.

You want to bleach the dye out, not the wood, although that may sound confusing, it is what you're trying to do.

Yeah, that's why I tried chlorine, not the drain cleaners.

Otherwise, just clearcoat it as-is is about the only other option, although personally I wouldn't do that, that's a lot of time and trouble and effort to get a result you're not going to like much.

Again, I agree. My option # 1. was there just because it was suggested by my son. He immediately recognised the scribblings as names of PC games. "GTA", "Vice city", "San Andreas", "GTA3", so he symphatized.

If you're down to 1mm, in spots, you don't even have enough wood left to stain, the stain will probably splotch on you, you may get it on the sides, and you won't get that back out.

The whole top veneer is less than 1 mm, not just in spots.
Yes, the sides :evil: Yes, I've experienced that before.
At least I'll start with a couple of clear coats on the sides before bringing anything colored anywhere near the thing.

Oh, one thing :!:
The binding is white-black-white-black (from outside in).
The last black line will be "wasted" with a black finish.
But oh well, that's life 8-)
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Re: Scribblings on the back

Postby Drak » Wed Feb 03, 2010 2:58 pm

You can certainly try your dye idea, if it doesn't work, you can still paint it black afterwards as long as all your products are chemically compatable with each other.
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Re: Scribblings on the back

Postby the-mooche » Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:24 pm

why not give her a darkbrown spirit-finish (from Hamerl in Bubenreuth, they have a kit for spraying) and darken it to black to the edges? The finish is translucent, but I believe, the damages on the top might become much less visible ... and that stuff is very good to work with, even with an unexpensive airbrush. And dark brown with blended to black looks great (I like that combination)
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Re: Scribblings on the back

Postby Knu » Thu Feb 04, 2010 9:52 am

I'll have to experiment...

the-mooche wrote:...with an unexpensive airbrush...

How would one combine an European wife in an European house with any kind of paint spray?
Mission impossible :!:

...darken it to black to the edges...

Is "reverse burst" ever used?
Light on the edges, dark in the middle.
Coming to think of it, many things in nature are that way. Many animals, if looked at from above.
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Re: Scribblings on the back

Postby Ol' Fret » Thu Feb 04, 2010 12:18 pm

Knu wrote:How would one combine an European wife in an European house with any kind of paint spray?

A wise wife/woman will admit her husband/friend to do what a man has to do! Unfortunately some women never get wise... :mrgreen:
Btw., do we still have a strictly male forum? :(

Why are people afraid of craquelure patterns? Have a look at the centuries-old stringed, bowed instruments, they are BEAUTIFUL! The same is with people: IMO, it's awful to see old folks trying to look like a teenager. Cosmetic surgery, what a nonsense - except for those suffering from trauma/ailment consequences of course...

This guitar has had a hard life which resulted in severe lacquercracks, but is also showing - though not yet wiped off nor cleaned up - one of the most stunning guitar finishes I ever came across, an awesome deep orange sunburst colour, made by a finish master.
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Re: Scribblings on the back

Postby Knu » Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:39 pm

Ol' Fret wrote:Why are people afraid of craquelure patterns?

Oh, in this case it was not a question of patterns. The old paint (not lacquer) was chipped, and the chips were falling off like dandruff from someones head.
Every time somebody touched the guitar, the next thing to do was to take the vacuum cleaner...

As a teenager I had long hair. Now I'm bald, and shine proudly :mrgreen:
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Re: Scribblings on the back

Postby Karl Lotwig » Thu Feb 04, 2010 9:11 pm

The scribblings you see here on this back are supposed to be modern art!!!!! so I guess it is just a matter of how to look at it! :D :D ;) ;)
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Re: Scribblings on the back

Postby pwilczynski » Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:30 am

Karl, is that a Wandre?

Knu: Tattoo it.
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Re: Scribblings on the back

Postby Knu » Thu May 13, 2010 1:40 pm

Sooo... it took only three and a half months to get this completed :mrgreen:

The back is now something like I believe the-mooche meant
the-mooche wrote:why not give her a darkbrown spirit-finish...

Cherry and dark walnut, plus some black at the edges.
I didn't want to go to all black at the edges, however.

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The top is actually blue, but looks black from most angles. I created this effect somehow by accident by using both blue and black dyes.

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And the rim is just like I wanted from the beginning.

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The dyes are common furniture dyes, the varnish is one component polyurethane boat varnish.
All paintbrush work.
Plus sanding, sanding, sanding and sanding. #120, #240, #400, #600, #800, #1200.
Add some Farecla G3 and G10 polishing compound.

This is going to be one nice Defil Carioca :D
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Re: Scribblings on the back

Postby lacquercracks » Thu May 13, 2010 7:29 pm

YES it is ! I am very impressed by the back especially..good job !
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